boredanddumb (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

well i wasnt really stating stricly that every animal wuld respond agressively , i was trying to try to discuss wat might be the reason of this rather than just say , "haha! this animal is not slef-aware! and has no intellegence" , which is wat was originally thought wen the introduction of this test , which is pretty much absolute , but anyways , now that i kno wat rhesus factor means your last comment seems has a satirical twist :)

wzxd8rm (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Chimps don't attack the mirror as their first reaction, they analyze movement of reflection. Macaque attacks instantly. Rhesus factor called rhesus because it was first detected in rhesus macaque.

boredanddumb (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

as far as agression being first reaction of fear , yes, i wuld say so , maybe not mines , or yours , but lookin at the behavior of the animal kingdom , i wuld think this wuld be so , and uhh am not quite sure wat rhesus factor is but ill look that up after this reply.

wzxd8rm (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

If you experience fear your first reaction is aggression??? Is your rhesus factor-???

boredanddumb (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

very funny test , very funny test indeed.

random0815 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

yup you would have to create a smell mirror to test f.e. many dogs, funny thing is that the scientific community took quite some time to realize this limitation, recognizing the mirror as an object with a certain effect is certainly a task of its own, pondering about how this effect came another one

boredanddumb (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

yeah , most identify themselves through smell.i also thought like this..does it make sense wen animals attack a mirror ? well..wat are they attacking ,the mirror or their image ? animals dont understand that we have the power to create reflection out of the natural world ,if i was living in the world all dandy and stuff and was use to my reflection in the water ,and saw a mirror ,i wuld assume some power greater then i or water could make reflection,thus, i wuld be fearful and attack..the mirror

random0815 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

i guess for most its more about recognizing own movement rather than own appearance which leads to another duh-aspect of it: only few animals have a good enough vision to recognize themselves visually ^^

boredanddumb (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

humans are said to fail the mirror test at 18 months old , i thought to myself...hmmm could maybe the circumstances of the test interupt the test itself , animals normally , under (i assume) natural cimrcumstances (like reflection on water) ever encounter their reflection , how COULD one know wat their outter apperiance is like? fish usually fail the test dont they ? well..how could they ever see their reflection? idk , wat do u think ? am i making sense here?

Rowantwig (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

you mean if you show him a mirror and ask him who he sees he says he doesnt know?